Good on you guys for responding here. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. Nearly anything can be used as a weapon, whether it is designed as a weapon or not. Much the less wish to discuss the merits of hammer mounted versus frame mounted firing pins, or the S&W design of using a rebound slide instead (my favorite design). Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. All that said, training, knowledge of your firearms design/function, and practice go a long way to make any firearm safe to carry with a round chambered though some designs are better for a particular purpose. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. Repeatedly doing the same thing is training, because it becomes habit. Even pistols with no manual safety, like this Glock, are safe to carry with a round chambered. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. #5. My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. Run what you brung. But now at my age I know me and I know my weapons and youll be gambling with your life if you engage me thinking you know whether there is one in the chamber. What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. Height: 5.4. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? And my Glock 17. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. Ammoland eh? Glocks response was to simply make a pistol that was safe without a safety. To chamber or not to chamber? If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. This is not remotely comparable to carrying a semiauto with an empty chamber, where the slide must be racked to make the gun ready to fire. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. Just remember, about the only way you can deactivate the safety mechanism is with your finger. As the saying goes, you do you. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. Thats not a very fresh idea. All it takes is knowing what the word; inertia means. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Sad, isnt it? And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . Then I chambered a round. The off hand comment was to the effect of glocks being less safe to carry with a round in the chamber than others. Seems more in line with your abilities. 1. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. I'd recommend a Hard Kydex holster like a comp-tac infidel. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Most 1911s come with a half cock safety, but again, you would have to ensure it was engaged properly and its prone to breakage. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. They DID make a variant with one (the Colt Cowboy) but they dont offer it anymore and the SAA is sold sans transfer bar. June 2016. The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. In fact, when applying for a gun permit in Israel, self-defense is not an acceptable reason to get a gun. JavaScript is disabled. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. These arent exactly the most concealable guns out there. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. I have no worries about the gun going off when holstering it or even worse going off by itself while in the holster as many Glocks have done when a fold of the holster got snagged inside the trigger guard. Or some jackass was pocket carrying his G43 without a holster and something snagged the trigger. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. (just like some people freakout about a cocked and locked 1911) Rest assured the gun will not go off and shoot you in the ass. 1 of 2 Go to page. If you want a common username better grab it quick though. The Israelis do it, and I do too. Concerning long guns that are stored for home defense, I think that "cruiser ready" is the ideal state of readiness for rifles or shotguns. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. or not. I couldve even been Ken again, like I was here years ago. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. israeli carry is stupid. THAT is a significant, even dangerous, error to be stating as fact. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. Quick easy to access and small enough for the P365, a spare magazine, and a small 300 Lumen Tac Light. Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. In fact, Ill prove it. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. Somewhat different than in rural MS tho, speaking as one who attended a full auto shoot at a local range about a month ago. Momentum and all. I answered the asked question. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. My Taurus Millenium G2, basically a glock with a safety, same thing, actions are needed to make it fire. This is a particularly great idea. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. Here we have a conundrum. Or a DA/SA auto. I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. All except for that one guy above who thinks muscle memory means hell never make a mistake, ever. As long as you use some sort of holster that covers the trigger, and keep your finger out of the trigger area, leave the 19 in the holster, unless its needed, you wont have a problem. Amen! For the most part.if the gun goes offsomeone pulled the trigger. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. The odds of a holster obstruction triggering a Glock in that case is an acceptable risk due to the greater risk of being too slow. . Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. so the theory still stands, if you dont want a negligent discharge, dont be negligent. A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. I've carried both extensively. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. This subject is DOA just like the OP. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Odds of the shooter getting 4 shots off would be pretty low. I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up. You hit the nail on the head with "comfortable", but that is subjective. Only ONE centerfire pistol? But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. Im not a big believer in the the bad guy will just take your gun and use it against you school of thought. I carry a LC9, no problem. My G19 pull is about 4-1/2# about the same as a lot of 1911 guns. Have you ever negligently turned down the wrong way of a one way street? I cant believe this is even a subject for discussion. Lol. The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. you would do well to keep in mind that some people dont carry with a round in the chamber not because theyre so afraid or lack of training but because simply of where they live and the laws that exist there if they did they would be constantly administratively chambering and unchambering a round throughout their day while doing so in their vehicle says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. Victoria: I did find a workaround though. I can raise and lower the bolt slowly in complete silence. IOWs, pathetic sheeple. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. I agree about the Colt SAA. Maybe you should just use a spork. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s You always have time to do that. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . Practice holstering and unholstering without a round and see if the trigger is pulled. His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. Again, carrying with an empty chamber isnt wrong, but it just isnt quite right. its full screen with proper sound and everything. But thats good. Agree with the author 100%. I didnt mention this stuff because in the original post because the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible. The safety either keeps the trigger from being pulled or blocks the cartridge from being struck by the firing pin so it cant go off. OK, this isnt enough for you? There was also some discussion of Fairbairn and Sykes experience in the Shanghai police with what is commonly referred to as Israeli carry. There are some inherent problems there. If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. Jul 18, 2010. I have handguns that have a magazine safety I leave the mag out a 1/2 inch in the lock box and the mag cant be rammed home while in the box(like if it were dropped). I wouldnt worry about it. Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. Use whatever gun you want. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. Ask the famous Black Athlete Plaxico Burress that did that in a New York restaurant a number of years ago. He thinks. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. I submit extremely unlikely. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. Most cap and ball revolvers have carry notches between the nipple notches. If carry my Glock its in a solid Crossbreed holster with one in the chamber. Now try looking up punctuation. Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. If you don't just pick ONE, then IMO you are always going to wonder if you're chambered or no. But, it has a decocker, so I can put a round in the chamber, decock the striker, and walk around with a much better feeling about it all. It prevents the trigger from being manipulated unless a finger is pressing on it. Glock 17. First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. My bedside gun is always a DA revolver. Excuse me, but the inventor of the Linebaugh cartridges and custom gunsmith in Powell Wyoming is JOHN Linebaugh. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). I got them after watching the best experts I know of, champions, and their green light review. in the 20th and 21st centuries, empty chamber is just retarded. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. It will go off. The gun itself Cannot be rendered safe without the chamber being empty. . Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. Width: 1.18. Its decocker is better than a thumb safety. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. Still no safety. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . Carrying a single-action pistol cocked-and-locked is far and away the best method of carry. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. But, IF I were, then Id have to choose that DA revolver in my headboard. But, some want only one item to cover every base. Think about Her all you Geniuses that sing the siren song of the Utopian world of Glock. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Like: condition 2 (good choice for a DA/SA autoloader), condition 1 (if your chosen piece has a manual safety), and etc. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. Same here. The priming compound could care less WHAT hits it, so long as the blow has sufficient energy to activate the explosive charge in the primer, it will detonate. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-box-4','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-box-4-0');Some people are nervous about Glocks because they heard one rumor or another about them. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. Training is nothing more than repetition. Torture tests are silly and prove nothing about a gun. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. See? whenever anyone posts on this page: If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. It seems that as long as the trigger is not manipulated the pistol will not fire. Even some shotguns will do that. (Take that, NYPD!) One of the first shoot houses ever built was built by Fairbairn and Sykes to train their officers. My opinion. There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! Ugggghhhhhh why are we still talking about this? If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. Thats intentional. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. Being a klutz is one thing. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. Not having a bullet in the chamber would make a discharge in the holster impossible. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? The gunfight at the end was pretty good otherwise, but at one point Costner gets 16 shots out of his Colt SAA without reloading. You learned something. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. I was shown( Thank You RES), yank that sucker out, moveaim, fire. It worked before. The Israelis do it because they had to come up with a training procedure that worked for all their soldiers, including those that dont know which is the end that goes bang. Weve beaten this dead horse enough. I am the same way, my kids randomly jump, hug or accidentally collide with me on a regular basis. Thats a lot more true to life (in my admittedly inexperienced opinion) than most movies, especially westerns. Weight: 22.9 oz. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. Id have to go with the DA revolver. The driving analogy is a good one, because we drive so much (most of us, anyway). No kids at home anymore so no worry there. Or tell them to carry only 5 bullets instead of six?? If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. Ever have your computer go slow for a second, but then it opens two(or more) of whatever you clicked on? I have these 2 hidden and had mounted in my house. If gravity provides the inertia instead of the firearm, then the problem wont arise unless the gun is moving towards the ground, and then stops. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. And it will ALWAYS stay in its holster right? Must not be working on it very hard. Big Bill: Yup. Hell, try it with a taser. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em Smh. Thank you very much. Whats the big deal? I feel its foolish but its my thought. There is no doubt about it.
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