I have loved Michael Jackson the artist for several decades. And a 14 week trial in 2005 found Jackson not guilty of charges that he had molested another 13-year-old boy, Gavin Arvizo. And Michael Jackson was ready to spread his wings. But his face was expressionless. He wasn't making new records. So when you're selling your furniture to make money, it's like -- yes, it's not exactly a yard sale, but he definitely felt a dire need for cash. CHOPRA: It was the thing that caused his cardiac arrest. (SINGING) (END VIDEOTAPE). You want what you create to live, be it a sculpture, a painting, music, a composition, like Michelangelo. LEMON: Legendary music producer Quincy Jones would produce Jackson's first adult solo album. In my opinion, there is no manufacturing that kind of hurt and pain. TOURE: When he dangled the baby, it's just here's Michael again being the class clown who doesn't even realize that he's the class clown. The Watch OWN app is free and available to you as part of your OWN subscription through a participating TV provider. A lot of people sort of paint him with that brush, but realize he was found not guilty. MONROE: The trial hurt him to the core. MICHAEL JACKSON: I would do my schooling for three hours with the tutor, and right after that I'd go to the. So it'd be nighttime. Just last year, a study by the Census Bureau and Stanford University found that no matter what their parents income level, Black men are less successful than white men on average. Watching the two interviews back to back reveals an undeniable and astonishing fact: the biggest pop star the world had ever seen had become a completely different person in the intervening 14 years. TOURE: It was quite obvious to all of us from the beginning that it was a sham, that it was a publicity stunt. Without warning, he just broke down and began to sob. I'd like to take a shot at producing your record. BRAFMAN: He went through a horrible accident filming a video. Be the first one to, Advanced embedding details, examples, and help, Terms of Service (last updated 12/31/2014). Every day, Michael Jackson showed up in one of his Captain Crunch outfits. I warned them. OPRAH IS A REGISTERED TRADEMARK OF HARPO, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED 2023 HARPO PRODUCTIONS, INC. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. In this never-before-heard interview from 2012, Emmy and Tony-award-winning actress, Cicely Tyson explains the surprising story of how she found her calling, shares behind-the-scenes history of her most iconic roles and reveals the biggest life lessons she's learned. Jackson vehemently denied the accusation on national TV. LEMON: Millions in mourning. JACKSON: Because he -- he saw me -- he wanted me to -- I guess, maybe, I don't know if I was his golden child or whatever it was. It was the kind of attention and screams he was accustomed to. In 2002, he incited world-wide outrage when he dangled his newborn son, Prince Michael II, from the balcony of a Berlin hotel. Rick: Thank you so much. So, how do you write a song called "We are the World"? Have expert advice and tips delivered directly to you. Oprah interviews Michael Jackson, broadcast live around the world from his home at the Neverland Ranch. This is the final curtain call. "I had no understanding of it being abuseI loved Michael," he told Oprah. He was very placid. The superstar seemed to be fading in front of the world's eyes. Similarly, Safechuck recalls meeting Jackson while filming a Pepsi commercial; they developed a similar working relationship that morphed into sleepovers at the ranch. And immediately I was up all night trying to think of the type of songs that would create excitement among people. There is no song, album, or memory that is worth discrediting what happened to a seven year old little boy who was so young when he was being touched sexually, he worried that his abuser would turn into the werewolf from "Thriller." They talked about James Brown, Jackie Wilson, the Bee Gees and Motown. It was an exclusive talk with Michael Jackson who had refused to be interviewed for 14 years. And it was just kind of disgusting and silly. LIONEL RICHIE, MUSICIAN: Now, one great thing that happened that we both had to realize, I can't read or write music, and Michael cannot read or write music. LEMON: That album was 1982's "Thriller." LEMON: Physician Deepak Chopra, a personal friend, said he knew Jackson was taking narcotic painkillers. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. The interview with Jackson took place at his huge Neverland Ranch, complete with its own amusement park and zoo. Plastic surgery was another much-talked about issue surrounding Michael Jackson in the early 1990s. Wonderful., Sign up for our weekly newsletter to get more English-language news coverage from EL PAS USA Edition, Sign up to EL PAS In English Edition bulletin, If you want to follow all the latest news without any limits, subscribe to EL PAS for just 1 the first month. This man was a universal pop icon. He hadn't shaved that morning. When Michael spoke with Oprah, he was extremely open about the sensitive subject, saying his father called him ugly, beat him and frightened him. Michael Jackson was being interviewed by Oprah Winfrey in 1993 when he stunned the interviewer by showcasing his incredible beatboxing skills as he sang acapella. Coincidentally, fans were wondering about Michael's much lighter skin tone, from black to white. Oprah is the queen of this format (her 2021 conversation with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle is the most recent great example of the show-interview). But in January of that year, Michael had just headlined the Super Bowl halftime show (the staging and format of which provided the template for todays artists performing at the years biggest football game) and won three American Music Awards. I tried to enhance the quality of. They were tremendous. Why can't we create the next instrument?" Jackson told Oprah he suffered from a rare skin disease. As Senior Director of Editorial & Strategy, I oversee all of Oprah Daily's digital content, from editorial to video to social media. transcript. Flags at half staff, a memorial at his childhood home. I don't know him the way I'd like to know him," he said. TOURE, FORMER CNN POP CULTURE ANALYST: The sound was incredible. You can count them on two fingers. It doesnt take a surgeon to know that Michael was lying; he maintained that falsehood in 2003, in his interview with Martin Bashir, when he responded sardonically to the same question: Ive had two operationsthat I can remember., But Oprah pressed the point, Youve had a nose job, thats obvious. Yes, like a lot of people I know, Michael responded But Ive never had my cheeks, eyes or lips done. Do you like the way you look now? Oprah probed further. His steelworker father, Joe, turned five of his boys into a band with five-year-old Michael out front. He's a 12-year-old superstar with thousands of people shrieking and screaming. JACKSON: Yes. JERMAINE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON'S BROTHER: You know, you have to say to yourself, who hasn't? BRIAN OXMAN, ATTORNEY: I've talked to this family about it. RODNEY JENKINS, MUSIC PRODUCER: Wow, 50 dates; 50 dates at 50 years old? HIATT: I was looking in an old "Rolling Stone" article from a few years ago and someone said, you'll really know that Michael Jackson is broke when he announces a big European tour. I mean, everybody wants immortality. In 1993, Oprah helmed what would become the most-watched TV interview of all time a title which the show still proudly holds. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This man was the greatest recording artist of our time. Michael Jackson Talks to. MJ: Your're always welcome. I tried and tried and tried to get the message across to people that sexual abuse is not just abuseit is also sexual seduction." LEMON: In 1986, a photograph of Michael asleep in an anti-aging chamber rocked the tabloids. And I remember going to the recording studio, and there was park across the street. While never forgetting any of the sexual details that happened between us, but having no understanding that it was abusehaving no concept in my mind that anything about Michael could ever badeverything that Michael did was right to me for so many years." Less than a year later, Jackson made headlines again when he married Lisa Marie Presley, the 26-year-old daughter of Elvis. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My brother, the legendary king of pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25th, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. She offered to have a child for him. Spawning iconic music videos and a sold-out world tour, "Bad" went on to sell 8 million copies, and Jackson went on to change his image once again. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people of the state of California, plaintiff versus Michael Joe Jackson, defendant, not guilty of a lewd act upon a minor child. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, and he's not conscious either -- UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, he's not conscious, sir. A lot of people from the Mideast love Michael Jackson. The cost -- $19 million. And it would catch fire when Jackson unveiled an out of this world dance move on a television special for Motown's 25th anniversary. And part of my concern about Michael was the fact that he always seemed to be suffering from some form of ailment or infirmity. LEMON: But Brockman says the superstar was terrified. to Oprah" February 10, 1993: ABC: 2 The Duke and Duchess of Sussex: Oprah Winfrey 49 . There's a lot of mysterious phases of Michael Jackson's career, but the last three are particularly mysterious. Nobody says anything about that!, His physical appearance remained the focus of the conversation. TOURE: So he's doing the moonwalk. Michael Jackson, Oprah, Elizabeth Taylor, Debbie Rowe and many other people watching MJ talking to Oprah on TV in a bedroom: Link: The Mexico Deposition in 1993 and "Dangerous . And I would record for hours and hours until it was time to go to sleep. His next saying on the I won't grow up, I'm a lost boy, I'm Peter Pan. It was just sad. Special effects? KENNY ORTEGA, CHOREOGRAPHER: He was so excited about this project, and so invested. Do you go out and have fun, do you date? Yes, Michael replied. And my worst fears are here. He announced his farewell tour, This Is it, in a brief press conference on March 5, 2009, in London. Which when he first did it nationally, it was like, wait, is gravity being, like, messed with here? In March, 1988, Jackson finalized the purchase of a 2,600 acre ranch. And with that historic piece of vinyl, a phenomenon was born. We're finally hearing from the Jackson family. He pleaded not guilty. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have a doctor there? (In 1993, after 13-year-old Jordan Chandler and his father accused Jackson of child sexual abuse, a police investigation was inconclusive, and Jackson settled with the family out of court. So when I heard about the new two-night HBO documentary Leaving Neverlandand the fact that Oprah was going to be interviewing Wade Robson and James Safechuck, the two men in the film who accuse Jackson of sexually abusing them as childrenI had a similar reaction to the rest of the world: Disbelief. The interview aired on February 10, 1993, and it coincided with a crucial moment in Jacksons life. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson doesn't just come along once in a century or a lifetime. To no -- he's not responding to CPR or anything. It's sort of like the anti- King Midas, like everything he wants to do just gets screwed up. It was his greatest blessing, but, I think, also his biggest curse. Throughout the film, we hear from both men (in, yes, graphic, explicit detail) about exactly what they say transpired between each of them and Jacksonand across four hours, we hear why neither of them came forward about what purportedly happened to them until adulthood. He was the seventh of nine children. You look like a monkey. She explained: "Here's the reason why I'm here. The interview [ edit] So we started listening to tracks, like De, de, de, de, de, de. I said that Michael is over-medicating and that I did not want to see this kind of a case develop. HIATT: That's not really a comeback when it's your farewell. The live interview, which took place before any abuse allegations were made against him, covered . He's not the person to do this. Never had a celebrity provoked so much fascination or so many utterly bizarre headlines. And we were sitting very close and he actually collapsed on my shoulder. But this time, Jackson's stage was the roof of an SUV, outside the Santa Barbara County courthouse. And we started going, we started to get going. .css-ssumvd{display:block;font-family:Gilroy,Helvetica,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:1.0625rem;font-weight:bold;line-height:1.25;margin-bottom:0;margin-top:0;-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;}@media (any-hover: hover){.css-ssumvd:hover{color:link-hover;}}@media(min-width: 40.625rem){.css-ssumvd{letter-spacing:0rem;margin-top:0.9375rem;}}Gayle King Interviews Angela Bassett, Gayle Says March Is a Good Month for TV Lovers, Sheryl Lee Ralphs Definition of True Love, What We Know About The Little Mermaid Remake, Oprah Congratulates Kimmel on 20 Years of His Show, Nikole Hannah-Jones on "The 1619 Project", Ta-Nehisi Coates on the Wakanda Forever Podcast, Oprah Is Acting in Tyler Perrys Next Netflix Film. Get more inspiration like this delivered to your inbox, How well do you know the King of Pop? It was in the same league as David Frosts interview with Richard Nixon in 1977, Barbara Walters interview with Monica Lewinsky in 1999 and, outside the United States, Martin Bashirs interview with Princess Diana in 1995. LEMON: The case was eventually settled for nearly $20 million, and the suit was dropped in 1994. Jackson had never responded to anything, except through his songs. Not all are available yet, though Anyways, I hope you like them. Then in 1996, Jackson sent shock waves around the world when it was announced he had married Debbie Rowe, his dermatologist nurse. If, like me, you are still on the fence about what to believe or what not to believeor even whether or not you want to watch this filmI can tell you this with 100 percent certainty: Watching both Robson and Safechuck's faces as they recollect what allegedly happened to them, both in Leaving Neverland and during Oprah's interview, there is not a single doubt in my mind that these men are telling the truth. Jacksons album Dangerous, which had been falling down the charts in the two years after its release, became a top-10 bestseller again. With all of the pieces and details put together chronologically across four hours, Leaving Neverland brings to life a man who groomed his victims psychologically into simultaneously loving him and fearing him so steadfastly that they never accepted that they were abused themselvesmuch less wanted to tell anyone about it. Success at such a cost left Jackson with conflicted feelings for his father. LEMON: Ben Brockman was one of Jackson's attorneys. And Jackson showed up in court in his pajamas. LEMON: One month later, Jackson took home eight Grammys. Michael entered the shot walking downstairs as Thriller played in the background, but no one was applauding. Several items were taken away. LEMON: From the high school auditorium to the big-time. CASTRO: If you believe the fact that he, you know -- that he has this congenital skin condition, that's why he's so white, then fine. We may earn commission from links on this page, but we only recommend products we back. An Objective View of Michael Jackson Interview Transcripts Michael Jackson, Lisa Marie Presley interview with Diane Sawyer Transcript 22nd January 1995 Diane Sawyer: And with me of course, Michael Jackson and Lisa Marie Presley. JACKSON: This is it. His mistake is that he took it way too far, so that he stopped being a curiosity, and he started being a freak. And he thinks he's being loving. DE PASSE: I went back one more time, mustered up all my courage. LEMON: In a BBC interview, Joe Jackson admitted whipping Michael with a switch or a belt, but denied ever beating him. He wasn't touring. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's 50 years old. Michael: Thank you. And his brothers were on stage with him. Jackson's personal physician, Conrad Murray, who's believed to have been with the singer when he died, has hired an attorney. And Michael was God to me.". LEMON: But behind the image of a happy family and their rags to riches story, there was something else -- incredibly hard work, and a father who pushed his children. to Oprah had a 39.3 rating and a 56 share of the viewing audience, meaning 36.6 . Since the mid-1980s, people had speculated that Jackson wanted to become white, that he wanted to become a woman, that he had bought the Elephant Mans remains, that he slept in an oxygen chamber, that he had married Elizabeth Taylor, that he suffered from anorexia, that his best friend was a monkey, that the monkey was telepathic, that Michael was a homosexual and that he was a virgin. In the Black community, many of us feel an inherent need to "protect our own." I would see kids on the monkey bars and I would cry because I couldn't have a childhood. Meantime, members of Iran's government-linked militia are reportedly raiding homes and beating suspected protesters, who are believed to be taking part in nightly anti-government chants from Tehran roofs. DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): From child prodigy to cultural icon. OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: So he would tease you, make fun of you? In fact, you know, there were nights where you looked up there and it was like he was timeless, ageless. LEMON: Fan clubs, trading cards, Michael Jackson dolls. LEMON: But in 1993, disturbing allegations surfaced concerning Jackson's association with children. And yet the money kept rolling in. Even from the beginning, when they're nervously holding hands at MTV and he says, "Nobody thought this would last," and then he goes to kiss her. "You said on my show, 'Yes, this was a real marriage,'" Oprah says, referring to her 2005 interview with Lisa Marie. This man through his music actually like made a change in the world. on July 25, 2021. By Callum Crumlish 12:25, Sun, Feb 19, 2023 | UPDATED: 09:47, Mon, Feb 20, 2023 And Emmanuel Lewis was right there, underlying, like this is not sexual at all. So Jackson was almost doomed to implode somewhat anyway. Michael Jackson and Brooke Shields at the 1993 Grammy Awards, a few days after the interview with Oprah Winfrey. DE PASSE: I saw these kids, and they were unbelievable. USHER, SINGER: Michael had an unseen magic to influence people, the music and the culture. Oprah, who referenced her own experiences with sexual abuse as a child during the interview, added that when you're as young as Robson and Safechuck were when they allege that Jackson abused them7 and 10you "don't have the language to explain what is happening to you." She explained: Uploaded by Six months and 14 days later, in the summer of 1993, the first accusations of sexual abuse were made public, and his image was tarnished forever. WINFREY: Would he -- did he ever beat you? It's mysterious. "After the attention is no longer on this film, this is something I will be dealing with for the rest of my life," Safechuck told Oprah. Jackson was granted full custody of the children. Michael Jackson, in 1993 in a hospital for sick children. According to Kitty Kelleys biography Oprah, the host lied when she claimed at the beginning of the interview that nothing had been prearranged. Kim Kardashian Back in 2012, Kim did a tell-all interview with Oprah about her leaked sex tape with former partner Ray J. BOTEACH: I said, look on the flip side of that. From his sequin glove, to a life-size replica of Darth Vader made of Legos; things ultimately Michael would not give up. LEMON: All silent at age 50. The unprecedented live event, which took place before any allegations were made about sexual abuse, drew a worldwide audience of 90 million people. JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was certainly the most bizarre criminal trial I ever saw. In 1993, Oprah Winfrey made history by conducting the most-watched interview in television history. That right there, that will never be replaced. Mere months later, his public image would be tarnished forever PETER CASTRO, ASSISTANT MANAGING EDITOR, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: He's on the set, and he's descending a staircase.
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