Her mother was married to my uncle. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. We've received your submission. Stop. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. The trial was taking so much of my time. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. They are total bs. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. I cant lose them, he told the media. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Locked up. She was wrongfully convicted.. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Liesbeth Powers/The Disagree with You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. Just one example. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Incriminating words. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. More hairs there. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Shes just extremely happy with Andy, her brother, Michael OConnor, told the media. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. We didnt expect it. On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Oh my God. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? And the obvious answer is not as you claim. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Yeah, no. Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. I have to wake up every morning with the freedom that God gave me knowing that my sister is incarcerated for life and that my lies put her there, Larry wrote in a letter to the LAPD after he had been freed. (A good point. What evidence is there she actually left the state? Lawrence Slaughter is currently serving a life sentence in Calipatria State Prison for the murder of Jerome Scott as well. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Unlike most people who stayed on the streets all day, she maintained a neat, attractive appearance, wearing makeup and a dress or skirt each day. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. Allen Prue told police he and his wife "wanted somebody they could play with," Caledonia County State's Attorney Lisa Warren has said. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. you dont want to fall off and hurt your oversized ego. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. When they were getting ready to drive away, a police car pulled up behind them and checked their car. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? WebAmina and Sarah Said were murdered by their father Yaser Abdul Said an Egyptian immigrant on January 1st 2008. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Its barely visible in the picture. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? This story has been shared 114,982 times. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. I hope she rots in hell. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! But none of those charges ever stuck. Nobody said bodies were intact. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. DNA also doesnt lie. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Still, no good leads materialized. False. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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She was the one that left Andy! Prosecutors said Said, a native of Egypt, was angry that his daughters were dating and that the boys were not Muslim. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. Emailus. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. Hoist by your own petard. I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. Both wanted to be doctors. And she called 911. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Its never been made clear. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? "The family has been very patient. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. They broke up in 1993. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. Patricia Owens, Yassein and Islam Said face up to 30 years in federal prison. None. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Patricia and Mark McCloskey, the St. Louis homeowners who pointed guns at protesters, pleaded not guilty Wednesday to weapons and evidence tampering charges. Justice is about uncovering the truth. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Very similar. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas All rights reserved. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. (even though hes married and has a baby) Who does that?!! But I suppose you havent a clue about that. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. How so? Did you personally attend the trial? Whats worse is that shes innocent. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. A Texas man who carried out the mass shooting at the Cielo Vista Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Aug. 3, 2019, killing 23 people and injuring 22 more, pleaded guilty today in U.S. District Court to a 90-count indictment, including 45 counts of violating the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. Nailed? Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. How is it that these women are paroled? In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). THE COPS SET HER UP. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. You people are fighting a losing cause! His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. I dont think so. Search is on. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime.